Session Start: Fri Apr 12 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 11:03:23
[00:07]<+Tux2> lol
[00:07]<+Tux2> Hey, BC_Programming, want to play another game of wolf? We need another player or two
[00:09]<@BC_Programming> not really, not enough fighting heh
[00:15]<+Tux2> lol
[00:32]<@BC_Programming> heheh somebody was trying to say that Pope Francis should be considered influential
[00:32]<@BC_Programming> and I said 'That's indoctrinated influence, I don't think that counts. He's influential to Catholics essentially because he wears a dress and a silly hat, and their doctrine says "the guy wearing the dress and the big silly hat has influence for some reason, I'm sure it's in that book we don't want any of you reading" so he does.'

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Session Start: Fri Apr 12 03:05:08 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [03:05] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[03:05] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[13:00]<+FusRoDah> Hey guys what did i miss?
[13:02]<+FusRoDah> Had my beef with jaxc
[13:02]<+FusRoDah> oops
[13:02]<+FusRoDah> jacky but then needed to do some work
[13:03]<+FusRoDah> work done, got paid.. all good
[13:04]<+FusRoDah> Working again on the 1st though so will be away for 2 weeks :(
[13:10]<+FusRoDah> Off to make a video... need the CPU power.. later
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[17:16]<+Craig> Hey All
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> Hey Craig
[17:18]<+Craig> what you up too?
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> not much
[17:37]<+camerongray> hey Craig & BC_Programming
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[17:38]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, Craig, You're a network guy :P
[17:40]<+camerongray> Need a bit help
[17:46]<+Craig> ?
[17:48]<@BC_Programming> lucifer apparently messed up a /notice
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[17:50]<+camerongray> Yeah, I think you meant to send that to CH :P
[17:50]<+camerongray> Craig: I'm probably moving into shared accommodation next year, what is the best way to isolate people on a shared internet connection
[17:50]<+camerongray> So their PCs can't see mine .etc
[17:51]<+camerongray> But so we could also ideally access a shared device like a printer
[17:51]<+Craig> Make the wireless not a bridged network
[17:52]<+camerongray> Hmm
[17:52]<+camerongray> Would it work if I were to plug in cable routers for each person?
[17:52]<+camerongray> I imagine that would work for getting internet but not sure how it would work for sharing a printer
[17:52]<lucifer> Sorry XD
[17:53]<+camerongray> lucifer: Yeah, some people in CH are jerks :P
[17:53]<+camerongray> I contacted Nathan but so far he's ignoring me
[17:53]<lucifer> Takes him time XD
[17:54]<+camerongray> nah, it was through Facebook and says he's seen it
[17:54]<lucifer> Hm
[17:54]<+camerongray> I'd post on the forum but then Patio would see it and hate me even more :P
[17:55]<+camerongray> 2 secs, will pastebin what i sent
[17:55]<+camerongray> http://pastebin.com/RCNda9sZ
[17:55]<lucifer> Ok
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[17:58]<+camerongray> lucifer: What do you think?
[17:59]<lucifer> That's a letter and a half
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[17:59]<lucifer> I like it
[17:59]<+camerongray> Yeah, thanks
[17:59]<+camerongray> It's gone completely downhill recently
[17:59]<lucifer> It has
[18:00]<+camerongray> I remember where we could have a laugh and help people in great depth. Now it's sticking to stupidly strict (and nonexistant) rules and refusing to help/kicking people for no reason
[18:00]<+camerongray> Like one person earler who was ESL, got kicked for asking for "holp"
[18:00]<lucifer> I remember it also
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> haha... man I love correcting people
[18:00]<lucifer> I learned alot from the chats back then
[18:00]<+camerongray> Actually, I see a lot of ESL people getting kicked when they are struggling to explain stuff
[18:00]<+camerongray> Yeah, me too
[18:01]<@BC_Programming> re MC- somebody was trying to say that Mojang tried to hire Eloraam (creator of RedPower)
[18:01]<lucifer> I loved the old chat
[18:01]<+camerongray> Me too, great fun
[18:01]<@BC_Programming> I asked for first-party evidence
[18:01]<@BC_Programming> There isn't any
[18:01]<+camerongray> lol
[18:01]<+camerongray> I used to have a good laugh with patio and db
[18:02]<@BC_Programming> the only mention is an IRC conversation where a IRC nick named <jeb> inside the redpower channel said he tried to hire Eloraam
[18:02]<+camerongray> Were you there with the whole argument about my server?
[18:02]<lucifer> camerongray I might have
[18:02]<lucifer> And yeah a .5 amp will kill a server
[18:03]<+camerongray> It was where I happended to say something along the lines of "Why is ECC RAM so expensive, I need to upgrade my server but 24gb costs a fortune"
[18:03]<+camerongray> And I get, "Why do you need 24gb, noone needs 24gb, the 12gb you have is fine"
[18:03]<lucifer> I remember that
[18:03]<+camerongray> yeah
[18:03]<@BC_Programming> First, Jeb is not going to be hanging around a Modders IRC channel. Second, if I use /nick Jeb do I suddenly become a Mojang Employee? let's not mention the part where Jeb actually can only recommend a hiree and not actually bring a person on board.. Given what I know of Eloraam, it's probably a reality distortion field to make her feel better about Forge being such a gigantic pile of crap
[18:03]<+camerongray> And the server runs loads of High-RAM VMs
[18:03]<lucifer> Cause people argued saying that you did t need ecc
[18:03]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[18:04]<+camerongray> Then there was the power thing where I said that I couldn't move to the UK as all low-cost colocation only allowed a server to pull 0.5a and I'm pretty sure mine would pull more
[18:04]<+camerongray> "Oh, you don't understand how datacenters work, they don't get power like a normal house does"
[18:05]<+camerongray> Oh jeez, I thought they ran through a power meter with a spinning disc and had little flippy switch breakers
[18:05]<lucifer> I bet they dont know that a data enter has triple redundancy
[18:05]<+camerongray> lol
[18:06]<+camerongray> He just couldn't get his head around the idea of "Your server can pull up to 0.5amps at 240v"
[18:06]<lucifer> Autocorrect 1000: me 0
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> lol this is my favourite quote from the IRC log.
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> [2011-11-30 03:55:51] <jeb> Eloraam: well, adding a mod api is my priority right now
[18:07]<@BC_Programming> 2011-11-30 lol
[18:07]<lucifer> camerongray my bedroom I could convert back to 240
[18:07]<+camerongray> wow, how does that work?
[18:08]<+camerongray> I thought the US was always 120v
[18:09]<lucifer> My room used ti have 240 baseboard heaters and the wiring is still there just it's separated into two 120
[18:11]<lucifer> I live in a old house camerongray XD
[18:11]<+camerongray> Ahh!
[18:11]<+camerongray> Everything here is 240v
[18:13]<+camerongray> There, proding Nathan again
[18:13]<lucifer> Ok
[18:14]<+camerongray> Actually, the whole site seems to have gone downhill
[18:14]<+camerongray> Like the theme on the forum has broken so it's now sitting at the default SMF one
[18:15]<lucifer> It's like Nathan doesn't car
[18:15]<lucifer> Care*
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: the theme isn't broken, he updated the forum to 2.0.2
[18:16]<+camerongray> Yeah, but it used to have a custom theme
[18:16]<+camerongray> Yeah, real shame
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> yes with the previous version
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> he made the forum theme himself
[18:16]<+camerongray> True, but if I were updating the forum, I'd update the theme first :P

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Session Start: Fri Apr 12 19:52:12 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [19:52] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[19:52] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[19:52] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 11:03:23
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[20:02]<Craig> Hey Camerongray,
[20:02]<Craig> that is if you are still online :P
[20:03]<+camerongray> For a short time yeah :P
[20:03]<Craig> About your server, why do you think you need more than .5amps?
[20:03]<+camerongray> 2x Quad-Core Xeon with 4 disks :P
[20:03]<+camerongray> And that's at 240v
[20:04]<+camerongray> Equivalent of 1amp where you are
[20:04]<Craig> Thats not that much, Xeon can run on a little less than 300watts
[20:04]<Craig> or 400 if your not being overly conservative
[20:04]<@BC_Programming> Watts!=Amps
[20:04]<Craig> My servers have 4 and 6 core processors and don't need huge power supplies
[20:05]<Craig> A*V=W
[20:05]<Craig> ...
[20:05]<Craig> BC, I do know what I am talking about here... :P
[20:05]<+camerongray> But P=IV so for me, P=0.5*240=120w
[20:06]<Craig> Oy
[20:06]<Craig> thats not much at all!
[20:06]<+camerongray> Yeah
[20:06]<Craig> :S
[20:06]<+camerongray> These are low power xeons but are still 50w
[20:06]<+camerongray> L5420
[20:06]<Craig> I don't even know what kind of data center they are running!?
[20:06]<+camerongray> Yeah, most of the budget ones only allow that
[20:07]<Craig> Have you calculated the actual power usage for your server? The power supply may be too large
[20:08]<Craig> hehe and just incase I was wrong about watts I did google it, :P Cameron is right on the equation, but in the end we were both saying the same thing. :)
[20:08]<+camerongray> Nah, I've never seen it!
[20:08]<+camerongray> Bought it and shipped directly to the DV
[20:08]<+camerongray> DC*
[20:09]<Craig> Wow, I am running 3amps
[20:09]<Craig> I never knew
[20:09]<Craig> Hmmm
[20:09]<Craig> You didn't get any specs on it?
[20:09]<+camerongray> lol, that's more than I get with my current colo
[20:09]<+camerongray> I know the specs but I've never had it here to test it
[20:09]<Craig> My whole setup with monitors and everything runs around 10amps
[20:09]<+camerongray> 2x Xeon L5420
[20:09]<+camerongray> 12gb RAM
[20:09]<+camerongray> 4x 80gb HDD
[20:09]<Craig> How many dimms?
[20:09]<+camerongray> 6
[20:09]<Craig> ok
[20:10]<+camerongray> Dell CS24-SC
[20:10]<+camerongray> One of their custom enterprise ones
[20:10]<Craig> what socet?
[20:10]<Craig> socket*?
[20:11]<+camerongray> LGA771
[20:11]<Craig> DDR2?
[20:11]<+camerongray> It was $229 US (£148.76)
[20:11]<+camerongray> Yeah
[20:12]<Craig> The ram or the whole server?
[20:12]<Craig> Yeah you could run on 300 watts but still not low enough
[20:12]<Craig> Wow, thats retarded...
[20:13]<Craig> Are you sure they aren't running 3 phase power, that would mean a lot of different calculations from your 0.5amps
[20:14]<+camerongray> The whole server!
[20:14]<+camerongray> Hmm, will check
[20:15]<Craig> Dun dun dun, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power <- this is how complex the 3phase is... :S
[20:15]<Craig> Your server wouldn't be 3 phase, it would be the datacenter
[20:16]<+camerongray> Hmm, yeah
[20:16]<+camerongray> None of them mention phases
[20:17]<Craig> Most of the time your point of power is standard at 208, and such, they explained it to me on a job last week, but it made no sense :P
[20:17]<Craig> so you would be running 208 not 240
[20:17]<Craig> or 3something but that is too high
[20:17]<+camerongray> Ahh, they all say 240
[20:17]<Craig> there must be a transformer between to make it 240 if needed,
[20:18]<+camerongray> And I've always got around that when testing stuff here with a multimeter
[20:18]<Craig> Your computer wouldn't be bothered by the step down to 240.
[20:18]<Craig> sorry 208*
[20:18]<Craig> however, down to 120 :P that would be major. :P
[20:19]<Craig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power <- I look at this page and my eyes go fuzzy... :S
[20:19]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[20:19]<+camerongray> I'd also have to hope that the server has a switching PSU or that would need replaced
[20:19]<@BC_Programming> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_common_subsequence_problem
[20:19]<Craig> Yeah that would be a key point
[20:20]<Craig> BAHAHAHAHA fuzzy again, what the heck is that?!
[20:20]<@BC_Programming> algorithm for text file comparisons
[20:20]<Craig> Holy crap
[20:21]<@BC_Programming> I wrote a comparison tool for an SQL project on Freelancer.com, ended up having to use that
[20:21]<+camerongray> Even if I did bring it to the UK, I couldn't afford Edinburgh colocation so would need to go to Manchester
[20:21]<+camerongray> Then there's really no advantage since it's too far to travel for simple work
[20:22]<Craig> Where is it now?
[20:22]<+camerongray> Missouri :P
[20:22]<Craig> :P
[20:22]<@BC_Programming> missoray
[20:22]<Craig> What are they charging to host it?
[20:22]<Craig> Hahah, I think he had it right the first time, though I would be in missery if I had to live there :p
[20:23]<@BC_Programming> I know that's how some people pronounce it
[20:23]<+camerongray> I think I pay $56/mo
[20:23]<+camerongray> But that's with extra IPs and an extra ethernet drop
[20:23]<Craig> Wow, I could host it for $30 a mo
[20:23]<Craig> :P
[20:23]<Craig> What all would you need?
[20:24]<+camerongray> 14 IPv4, 2 ethernet drops, 2amp power (Just to be safe), 10tb transfer (What I have ATM) on a gigabit port :P
[20:24]<+camerongray> The plan without my upgrades is $45
[20:25]<Craig> Well the port would be GIG
[20:25]<Craig> 14 IPv4?
[20:25]<Craig> you mean dedicated IP'
[20:25]<Craig> 's*
[20:25]<+camerongray> Yeah
[20:25]<+camerongray> Virtualized so need one for each VM
[20:25]<Craig> Well I could do that internally,
[20:25]<Craig> what are you hosting on this thing?\
[20:26]<Craig> Externally though, you would be paying through the nose for the IP's
[20:26]<+camerongray> Websites, Mail, File Storage, Database and Tux has an MC server
[20:26]<+camerongray> Would really want external IPs
[20:26]<Craig> Hmmm
[20:26]<+camerongray> Plus I like being in a Datacenter :P
[20:26]<@BC_Programming> that reminds me I think the vanilla is still on a compatible 1.5.1 snapshot
[20:26]<@BC_Programming> should probably update
[20:26]<Craig> I don't think I could do it well enough
[20:26]<Craig> :P
[20:27]<+camerongray> "For your safety, our safety and the safety of the equipment, a trained staff member actively carries a firearm."
[20:27]<Craig> This is what I am currently running
[20:27]<Craig> 1 Static IP address included. Additional addresses are available at $9.95/month.
[20:27]<Craig> That with 14 would be retarded.
[20:28]<Craig> I don't need a gun :P
[20:28]<Craig> They wouldnt find me :P 0.o :P{
[20:30]<+camerongray> lol, in a datacenter :P
[20:30]<Craig> :P
[20:31]<Craig> Hahahaha if I was going to invade a data center I would bypass all the generators, then cut the main power switches over, make ALL the power in the center fail. Hardcore. :P
[20:32]<+camerongray> lol, I like my server hosted in a secure building with backup power and cooling :P
[20:32]<Craig> Kill all power and everything dies no matter what
[20:32]<Craig> :P
[20:33]<Craig> Remember I do install some of this stuff once in a while.
[20:34]<+camerongray> lol
[20:34]<+camerongray> So far I've never gone down since I installed it
[20:35]<+camerongray> And these dell servers are such good value
[20:36]<+camerongray> The're all over ebay
[21:08]<Tux2> lol, I pay about $1/month for every extra IP I have on my dedicated
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[21:44]<@BC_Programming> oooh I didn't know MSDN provided all versions of Visual Basic and Visual C++...
[21:45]<@BC_Programming> no Visual Basic 5, confusing
[21:49]<@BC_Programming> there now I save them to a DVD and forget about them forever
[21:53]<Erika> how do i add yahoo messenger and msn and aol and all of those messaging sitess in one vb.net? program?
[21:56]<@BC_Programming> what are you talking about
[21:56]<@BC_Programming> you mean you want to write something like pidgin and emulate all the protocols?
[21:57]<Erika> yes
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> yeah good luck with that
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> that's sort of like asking, "how do I make a site like youtube"
[22:07]<Erika> thats easy tho
[22:07]<@BC_Programming> hahahaha
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[23:40]<@BC_Programming> !w nanaimo BC
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